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	<title>Comments on: Flash Zero-Day Attacks WoW</title>
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		<title>By: Dino Dai Zovi</title>
		<link>http://trailofbits.com/2008/05/28/flash-zero-day-attacks-wow/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dino Dai Zovi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 01:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@anonemouse

Re: GDI, I think you are right about that.  I submitted the sample to an online sandbox test and it came back with a clean bill of health (Not malware, go ahead and run it!).

Re: Youtube Flash, I would assume that a well written feature would use signed updates from Adobe.  Any website can get the remote flash version, so they could just say, &quot;click this button, which links to https://www.adobe.com/go/getflash&quot; to update to the latest Flash.  But Flash already allows some sort of local file writing after the user clicks &#039;OK&#039;, install AIR for an example of this.  However, you are right that perhaps training users to click somewhere to &quot;update&quot; their software could be a dangerous precedent to set, but with a signature check and proper UI design, it could work I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anonemouse</p>
<p>Re: GDI, I think you are right about that.  I submitted the sample to an online sandbox test and it came back with a clean bill of health (Not malware, go ahead and run it!).</p>
<p>Re: Youtube Flash, I would assume that a well written feature would use signed updates from Adobe.  Any website can get the remote flash version, so they could just say, &#8220;click this button, which links to <a href="https://www.adobe.com/go/getflash" rel="nofollow">https://www.adobe.com/go/getflash</a>&#8221; to update to the latest Flash.  But Flash already allows some sort of local file writing after the user clicks &#8216;OK&#8217;, install AIR for an example of this.  However, you are right that perhaps training users to click somewhere to &#8220;update&#8221; their software could be a dangerous precedent to set, but with a signature check and proper UI design, it could work I think.</p>
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		<title>By: anonemouse</title>
		<link>http://trailofbits.com/2008/05/28/flash-zero-day-attacks-wow/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonemouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, I have to disagree with you on the Youtube Flash NAC idea. What makes Youtube trustworthy? Do we really want to train users to trust a pop-up on a website telling them to &#039;download an update here&#039;? How should they know to trust youtube.com and not yutube.com?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I have to disagree with you on the Youtube Flash NAC idea. What makes Youtube trustworthy? Do we really want to train users to trust a pop-up on a website telling them to &#8216;download an update here&#8217;? How should they know to trust youtube.com and not yutube.com?</p>
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		<title>By: anonemouse</title>
		<link>http://trailofbits.com/2008/05/28/flash-zero-day-attacks-wow/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonemouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve done any hardcore RE&#039;ing, but I do remember seeing lots of samples with random GDI function calls. I believe they&#039;re meant to ferret out sandboxing, since a sandbox that implements only a subset of the Windows API probably wouldn&#039;t bother with GDI. 

Just a hunch though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve done any hardcore RE&#8217;ing, but I do remember seeing lots of samples with random GDI function calls. I believe they&#8217;re meant to ferret out sandboxing, since a sandbox that implements only a subset of the Windows API probably wouldn&#8217;t bother with GDI. </p>
<p>Just a hunch though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dino Dai Zovi</title>
		<link>http://trailofbits.com/2008/05/28/flash-zero-day-attacks-wow/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dino Dai Zovi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John Dowdell

Hi John, thanks for the comment and update.  I downloaded the attack from one of the malware sites tuesday afternoon, so they were at least up at that time.

I wholeheartedly agree with the need to run current software and make sure that it is easy for users to do so.  If YouTube asked users to click &#039;ok&#039; to have flash self-update to the latest version, I&#039;m sure the vast majority of users would be upgraded pretty quickly.  How about it, YouTube/Google?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Dowdell</p>
<p>Hi John, thanks for the comment and update.  I downloaded the attack from one of the malware sites tuesday afternoon, so they were at least up at that time.</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with the need to run current software and make sure that it is easy for users to do so.  If YouTube asked users to click &#8216;ok&#8217; to have flash self-update to the latest version, I&#8217;m sure the vast majority of users would be upgraded pretty quickly.  How about it, YouTube/Google?</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://trailofbits.com/2008/05/28/flash-zero-day-attacks-wow/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dowdell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, it might be good to highlight that using current software seems to protect against any risk, even if those two Chinese servers had not already been shut down by the time the story appeared.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146396/symantec_backtracks_on_adobe_flash_warning.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/psirt/

(The &quot;20,000 domains&quot; were about an HTML injection which pointed to the servers in China which temporarily hosted the malformed SWF.)

I appreciate the update, but could we highlight the need to use current software...?

tx, jd/adobe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, it might be good to highlight that using current software seems to protect against any risk, even if those two Chinese servers had not already been shut down by the time the story appeared.<br />
<a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146396/symantec_backtracks_on_adobe_flash_warning.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146396/symantec_backtracks_on_adobe_flash_warning.html</a><br />
<a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/psirt/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.adobe.com/psirt/</a></p>
<p>(The &#8220;20,000 domains&#8221; were about an HTML injection which pointed to the servers in China which temporarily hosted the malformed SWF.)</p>
<p>I appreciate the update, but could we highlight the need to use current software&#8230;?</p>
<p>tx, jd/adobe</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zero Day mobile edition]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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